Q&A: Kurt Wagner On How Hip-Hop & Audio Technology Inspired Lambchop’s FLOTUS


Brown’s Diner might not appear to be a lot, however it’s a Nashville establishment. A low, grey, unassuming constructing with barely any home windows, it sits close to a busy intersection not removed from Vanderbilt Children’s Hospital. The dive began life within the 1930s as a roving meals trolley, then set down roots within the Hillsboro Village neighborhood, the place it turned well-known for its cheeseburgers. On a steaming-hot summer time day, when the humidity turns the air right into a strong mass, it’s an oasis: darkish and funky, with a couple of regulars on the bar and a waitress named Miranda roaming from desk to desk with an overflowing pitcher of iced tea. The jukebox blasts an eclectic mixture of tunes, from early Sheryl Crow hits to even earlier Motörhead jams, often something however the music that put Nashville on the map.

On this specific steaming-hot summer time day, Kurt Wagner sits in a sales space within the again room, close to the restrooms, with the informal bearing of somebody who can order “the usual.” He sports activities a graying soul patch underneath his lip and a trucker’s cap for a enterprise referred to as Draplin Design Co. It’s not a mid-2000s hipster affection, however a method that’s develop into a signature for the Lambchop frontman. He’s not often seen with out one. Wagner has simply polished off a cheeseburger and is nursing a glass of tea as he discusses his band’s upcoming album, curiously titled FLOTUS, which is a reference to the First Lady Of The United States however — as with so many Lambchop titles — hints at a lot extra.

The band has been plumbing the vicissitudes of on a regular basis life for many years now, setting acquainted scenes of home life to lush preparations that draw from straightforward listening, countrypolitan twang, clean r&b, and avant garde composition. Wagner turns even probably the most mundane moments — strolling the canine, consuming within the yard, even taking a leak — into quietly epic songs that trace at one thing bigger and truly lovely simply outdoors the lyrics. So a lot has been made from Lambchop’s line-up, which has at occasions ballooned into the double digits, that it’s straightforward to miss Wagner as one of many best and most lovingly eccentric writers working at the moment in any medium.

In that regard FLOTUS represents a barely ornery transfer: Not solely does the band experiment with looped beats, however Wagner purposefully downplays his songwriting, paring his lyrics right down to as few phrases as potential and repearing curious phrases (“take it on the chin” or “over the moon”) to see what secrets and techniques these syllables may reveal. He distorts his vocals into slivers and shimmers of sound, making them sound each acquainted and alien. To an extent he didn’t write these songs a lot as he unwrote them, like a mechanic disassembling an engine to see what the elements do by themselves.

At first FLOTUS might play just like the strangest report Lambchop ever launched, nevertheless it retains the wealthy, heat palette that has come to outline the band through the years. It nonetheless sounds like Lambchop, indelibly and unmistakably. Between sips of tea Wagner mentioned the inspirations behind this album, the dangers and rewards of adjusting up his sound, and the countless prospects that new know-how permits.


WAGNER: Ha. I all the time attempt to attract from issues that occur in my life, stuff that’s happening on the planet or in my vital different’s world. Part of it’s that during the last 4 or 5 years my spouse has gotten increasingly concerned in politics, to the purpose the place now she’s the chair of the Democratic Party in Tennessee. She had even run for state senate, which led to the job she has now. With that comes an entire new pile of stuff that was by no means part of my life earlier than, politics and all that. Part of the factor I needed to do with this document was to make one thing she would really like, based mostly on the kind of music she’s into. I feel I just about failed miserably on that rely. It does mirror her tastes, although.

And the title is an acronym for this different title I had in thoughts: For Love Often Turns Us Still. Meaning that, we’re nonetheless stunned on the notion of affection. It doesn’t get previous, which is a reasonably great way of taking a look at the way you make artwork. I had been going forwards and backwards about which approach to do it. I knew individuals would ultimately shorten an extended title like that and make it FLOTUS. So I made a decision to chop by means of all that. Why wait?

STEREOGUM: Did you plan this as a political album?

WAGNER: Oddly sufficient it’s turn into an fascinating factor in that it’s not a lot about politics. It’s about relationship that folks have as husband and spouse. But you do take into consideration issues occurring proper now, particularly with Michelle Obama and what a strong drive she’s turn out to be even in simply the previous few weeks, simply the impression she’s made on individuals. And you additionally take into consideration what’s to return and the potentiality that Bill Clinton might be our subsequent FLOTUS. Am I FLOTUS if my spouse runs for workplace? It’s not about politics a lot, however concerning the position of help you may give somebody in no matter their endeavor is.

That’s how any couple operates. They’re supportive and their lives are meshed collectively. The function individually and connectively with one another, and I feel one feeds the opposite in ways in which you perhaps don’t actually take into consideration. Being an artist clearly it’s one thing I can take up into my life greater than she will in her. What she does impacts what I do, however I don’t assume my work impacts her politics. It was a curious concept. Prior to the title, she managed to satisfy Obama and there’s this official photograph that they take once you do this. Oh man, I might love to make use of that as a part of the document’s paintings, however she stated there’s no method. Good luck! You can attempt to persuade the White House to allow you to use it. Have enjoyable with that. Then I assumed, perhaps if I simply did a portray of a small part of it, that may be okay. And that’s the paintings you’ll see with the album. It’s only a image of Obama’s hand on her shoulder.

STEREOGUM: So you based mostly this on her musical tastes. Is she a Lambchop fan?

WAGNER: She has a special sensibility about music than I do, which is nice. She likes good music, nevertheless it’s not likely the stuff that I like. When we met, there actually wasn’t a musical connection between us. She ran a punk rock venue and a document retailer, and Lambchop would play there. I don’t assume she favored us as a band in any respect, however we stored displaying up as a result of the out-of-town bands appreciated us and all the time requested us to open for them. So there we might be repeatedly. Eventually she acquired used to us and what we did, and began to get into it, I assume, to some extent. As time went on, she kinda received on board, however she definitely has different issues she likes. That’s nice as a result of it means I get uncovered to lots of music I might by no means take heed to.

STEREOGUM: I think about her being a fan of “Jenny/867-5309″ and “The Hustle.”

WAGNER: Probably “The Hustle.” She grew up in Long Island and that track was an enormous a part of that. And the opposite one… I guess she’d like that music. I haven’t requested her. I used that as a title due to the refrain, which fits, “I got it!” Which in Spanish is…


WAGNER: Ding ding. You win the prize. You win a free cheeseburger. I wish to ship out little shout-outs. But “The Hustle” is about going to a Quaker wedding ceremony. Have you ever been to a Quaker wedding ceremony? There’s nobody officiating. The bride and the groom rise up there and simply speak to one another, and other people rise up and speak about them. It’s utterly free type. But it may be fairly shifting. You strip away loads of the formality, and when that’s gone, the ceremony is predicated on how they really feel about one another. So we went to a Quaker wedding ceremony, and afterwards, on the reception, everyone was doing this dance. I assumed, wow, everyone is aware of this transfer. What is that this dance? What is the Hustle? I simply didn’t know what the dance appeared like.

STEREOGUM: It’s such a beat-heavy album that it virtually feels like dance music at occasions.

WAGNER: It’s been one thing that’s been brewing for some time now. I made a document with a few Lambchop guys referred to as HeCTA. During that course of I discovered quite a bit concerning the know-how that goes into making that sort of music. Once we completed it, we had to determine the way to carry out it, so I acquired to study that facet of it as properly. It was enjoyable, and having gotten all of that information into my mind, I began making an attempt to make use of it to consider different methods of songwriting. So it grew out of that, along with making a report that perhaps my spouse would reply to.

Also, we’ve lived in the identical home for 20 years. The neighbors have been the identical for 20 years, and I’ve watched this household develop up. They’re nice about broadcasting new music, and I might hear it outdoors on a regular basis, once I was on the porch or coming house or at events. It was nice music — a number of mixtape hip-hop. I’d hear these things even previous to it turning into out there somewhere else, as a result of this household can be into it. It struck me that it is perhaps cool to let that into the kind of music that I make. This stuff wouldn’t have been in my document stack, however it’s been in my head for some time. So I began testing loads of modern hip-hop and I used to be fascinated by them, particularly the LA guys Kendrick and Flying Lotus. To me it’s thrilling and revolutionary stuff. I put a number of it as much as not solely the artistry of the artist but in addition the creativity of the manufacturing. So that stuff was very influential on FLOTUS.

But one piece of the puzzle was lacking, and I used to be making an attempt to determine what to do with my voice. I went to see a present by these guys Shabazz Palaces, they usually had these little bins that may alter their voices in fascinating methods. I used to be utterly taken with that. So I acquired one and began enjoying round with it. Suddenly every part simply fell into place. It all match collectively. I rewrote the report and put it again collectively, writing virtually solely on that field. I didn’t play a lot guitar. I did every little thing with simply my voice. About two-thirds of the document… or perhaps much more, perhaps three-fourths of the document works that method, the place I used to be discovering a brand new strategy to write songs and making an attempt to determine who I might combine myself into the music. I didn’t need to simply slap myself into it on prime of the beats or one thing like that. I wasn’t going to rap. But I noticed that there are issues you are able to do with know-how that meshes your voice in with the beats.

STEREOGUM: So you have been truly writing the songs with that vocal field?

WAGNER: Exactly. Its one thing referred to as a TC-Helicon Voicelive 2. It’s a voice processor and it could report and loop issues. It was designed for singer-writers to accompany themselves. The guys in Shabazz found out all these different cool purposes for it. You can distort your voice and layer it and harmonize with your self. It’s an ideal software, and I simply went nuts. I assumed it was simply the most effective factor ever. It made me really feel like I might attempt a variety of new issues. I could make organ sounds with my voice. That’s fairly thrilling. I’m issues I couldn’t have dreamed of once I was a man with a guitar within the closet or wherever I wrote songs.

STEREOGUM: I really feel like that’s one thing you’ve all the time finished, although. You’ve been manipulating your voice naturally. I’m considering particularly of your falsetto, which you haven’t utilized in over a decade.

WAGNER: I misplaced the power to try this a yr or two after doing Nixon. I simply smoked an excessive amount of. I wasn’t excellent at it anyway, so it wasn’t the most important loss on the planet. But all of the sudden the field allows me to try this once more. So there it’s. It simply opened up entire new areas for me. Sometimes you simply stumble onto one thing that does that. Sometimes it’s studying a very good ebook, and typically it’s discovering a program in your pc. For me and the kind of music that I make, the know-how actually hasn’t modified all that a lot because the ’60s. We nonetheless revere that sound immediately as being the gold normal of nice audio. But the stuff that’s occurring now’s affecting music in a profound and thrilling method. I actually do consider that. It’s opening up the power to combine so many various concepts and varieties of music collectively.

It’s virtually breaking down genres, as a result of now you’ll be able to float between genres with assistance from know-how. Would Grandmaster Flash ever have envisioned integrating freeform jazz into the kind of music he was making? Well, truly, yeah he in all probability would have. Would nation music have allowed its artists to repair their vocal tunings 40 or 50 years in the past? But that’s completely part of what mainstream nation hits are about. There it’s: voice processing, massive and loud and proud. I feel it’s thrilling. It’s made issues sound totally different. Country music has been vocoding individuals because the many years. It was created for that objective — to ensure Reba obtained it proper. But now artists are going to this excessive, the place they’re letting it present. And it’s coming from all over the place. It’s coming from American Idol. It’s coming from hip-hop. It’s loopy. That stuff is now folding again into what we hear and what’s acceptable.

STEREOGUM: At this level it bothers me when individuals attempt to cover it and fake that’s their actual singing voice. I feel that Cher music, “Believe,” was the second when artists began utilizing it as part of the music.

WAGNER: I keep in mind being freaked out about Auto-Tune. I assumed it was horrible. When I began listening to it in modern pop music, I assumed, how might they do this? They have such nice voices! Oops. After some time. I noticed it’s a shifting, soulful, expressive device. The soulfulness is what struck me probably the most. This stuff might be soulful. A machine in its imperfections may be soulful, and that’s the stuff I like — when it’s fucked up. A voice cracking at a poignant second in a track… that basically will get you if you’re listening to it in a efficiency. It’s the identical factor with these things: When it’s not working fairly proper, it may be deeply soulful. It could be shifting. I can’t get sufficient of that. It’s new info for me. And but, it’s tapping into strong emotion. I by no means gave machines credit score for that. I don’t assume it’s a simple factor to do, as a result of the machine needs to be good. Everything needs to be good. I’m discovering that I’ve to spend so much of time working with it in order that it comes naturally as a part of what we do, ‘cause it’s not of the physique. I needed to actually work with it and get snug, however I’m assured it may possibly get throughout an emotional response and impress a sense on individuals. After some time, you don’t even hear it anymore. You’re simply listening to the individual.

STEREOGUM: On FLOTUS your voice does extra than simply ship lyrics. At occasions it turns into an instrument delivering pure sound.

WAGNER: I received enthusiastic about that for some time. I can’t actually say I used to be anti-word, however I used to be looking for a method to be much less wordy. Believe it or not, on Mr. M I used to be making an attempt to maintain it easy, simply to see what would occur if I turned much less verbose. That isn’t carried out all through the complete report, however you possibly can see makes an attempt of that on FLOTUS. There might be occasions if you’ll assume, he’s solely saying about 5 phrases. Well, why not? I feel once in a while for myself as a artistic individual, I have to take inventory of what I do and take into consideration what I can do to vary that and do one thing totally different. Or is that it? Do I solely have that one factor? There’s that previous saying about an artist having just one or two good concepts in his life and is doomed to repeat them. I reject that notion. I feel I’ve perhaps 5.

At my age or at this level within the lifespan of my musical output or no matter you name that, most individuals I do know who’ve been doing this so long as I’ve have resigned themselves to doing reissues and enjoying the hits and dwelling prior to now. I don’t have any hits, however even when I did, I don’t assume I’d be able to go there. That’s not what’s partaking for me. For higher or worse, I’m looking for new stuff. It won’t all the time be nice, however no less than it’ll be pure of intent.

STEREOGUM: Do you understand how you’ll tour this document?

WAGNER: I’m engaged on that now. Some of it’s trickier than others. I’m making an attempt to not put an excessive amount of strain on myself to re-create all the things on the report. I feel I can current it in a pure means. But stay music for us at this level is constrained by economics, so I’ve to be practical about what my reside ambitions are. Sure, it’d be nice to have it current a method, however which may not be real looking. I’ve been experimenting with the whole lot from enjoying the music on my own to enjoying with a trio. By subsequent yr once we truly tour for the report, I feel we’ll have one thing fairly cool in place. I’m additionally looking for a solution to combine what we’ve accomplished up to now into what that is. Oddly sufficient I discover a whole lot of the stuff on Mr. M appears to work nicely aspect by aspect with some of these items. I didn’t anticipate that.

STEREOGUM: It undoubtedly looks like it’d introduce a component of danger into the performances.

WAGNER: I learn an fascinating interview with these Shabazz guys, they usually have been speaking about how they might go on the market and let it hang around a bit extra. They have been letting a number of spontaneity enter into their efficiency, although they’re utilizing beats and samples and processors. There’s all this regimented info, and but they go at it in a approach that’s open and unfastened. It’s not as scripted as you may factor. That’s one thing I felt was an necessary a part of what me made for this document — the stay drums. We weren’t simply utilizing programmed beats. There have been reside musicians enjoying, not simply the musicians I created with my mouth. I’m principally looking for a method to be influenced by all the things I hear in hip-hop with out faking it or making an attempt to rap or no matter. They’re being themselves, and I would like be myself.

STEREOGUM: What does your spouse consider the document?

WAGNER: I feel she likes a few of it. She did say one thing like, I identical to the best way you sound as you’re. Which is simply so Billy Joel. Maybe individuals will really feel that approach, too. But I feel there’s sufficient of me in there. I’m actually singing my ass off.


FLOTUS is out 11/four by way of Merge. Pre-order it here.

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